Take a look at these results. First is Arizona who has the second largest concentration of Mormons outside of Utah and a Governor and Senator who endorsed Romney. When you add the voting turnout which is low, Romney wins. In one precinct 45 out of 3000 had cast their votes by 9 a.m. Since Arizona is a retirement destination, retirees normally turn out early to vote. The enthusiasm is not there for the Republican primary. Maybe if Romney had not decided to spend millions in 'scorched earth' against fellow Republicans enthusiasm might be better but a lot of of us had heartburn with Romney and his underhanded tactics against our candidates in 2008 so we didn't want him to run. We have been proven right as enthusiasm is not there for him even in states where he is winning.
You take out the Mormon support who are turning out to rallies and the support is not very deep. When a candidate can only win their home state by 3% you have problems. Declaring victory and momentum going into Tuesday? Would say that is a little premature.
| Candidate | Pct. | |
|---|---|---|
 | Romney | 47.3% |
 | Santorum | 26.6 |
 | Gingrich | 16.2 |
 | Pau | 8.4 |
 | Others | 1.5 |
| Candidate | Pct. | |
|---|---|---|
| Romney | 41.1% |
| Santorum | 37.9 |
| Paul | 11.6 |
| Gingrich | 6.5 |
| Others | 2.9 |
This comment from Erickson of Red State says it all:
"a guy who can only win in states with a home state advantage, New Englanders and New England transplants, and Mormoms. There are a lot more outside those categories than inside them and that is shaping up to cause him heartburn on Super Tuesday. "
Unlike Arizona and Florida, my state of Oklahoma is going to abide by the rules to apportion delegates so it is not winner take all since we vote before 1 April. If we can follow the rules by the RNC, why can't Florida and Arizona? Never mind those Romney states and rules don't apply to him. This post on Hot Air last night says it all:
Romney attracting independents and democrats in New Hampshire primary = demonstration of appeal outside the base
Santorum attracting independents and democrats in Michigan primary = betrayal of conservative principles and proof he can’t win against Obama.
Romney running robocalls = Dont whine
Santorum running robocalls = whining about dirty tactics
I just want to make sure I understand how it works.
MB (abbreviated screen name)
She summed up what many of us are feeling today. Romney is free to do 'scorched earth' and we are to sit down and shut up but if anyone dares to come after Romney it is the end of the world with Romney and his supporters with their thin skin whining. Super Tuesday is ahead and know at least one state that is going conservative and that is Oklahoma. We don't have enough Mormons to make a real difference just enough to be annoying at the door but then so are others like Jehovah Witness. Don't like people knocking on my door trying to sell me their religion like a door to door salesman. Mormons are already posting on line they will use the White House for their outreach around the world. Does anyone think that Democrats won't use that. Worked on me so why wouldn't it work on other voters.
This Romney mentality in using millions to buy this primary doesn't equal votes in the general election something the Rockefeller Republicans cannot seem to get through their brains.
My attention is quickly shifting to the House and Senate races. My biggest concern is that if Romney is the nominee iy will cause people to stay home who would normally vote for our Congressional candidates. The Rockefeller wing has made one big mess of this primary and it is going to take a lot of hard work on the part of conservatives to get voters to the polls for our Congressional candidates.
When you only beat a candidate who just surged several weeks ago by 3% in a state where you and your wife were raised and your Dad was Governor, you are in trouble in a lot of the Country. If you look at Michigan and add what votes votes Gingrich received with Santorum, there are more votes than Romney. Some media outlets last night reported Romney won one county by one vote. Is this going to be another case of votes being checked and a different result comes out weeks later as part of the official results? We are still waiting for the official Maine results.
Republicans are NOT happy with our choices. Do we think anyone would jump in this race at this late date to lose to Obama? Probably not if they want a political life after 2012.
Bad day for conservatives but on Super Tuesday that should change.
Posted by Erick Erickson (Diary)Wednesday, February 29th at 4:45AM EST
When you have a candidate few people really like, whose support is a mile wide and an inch deep, whose raison d’etre (a 4am fancy word) is fixing an economy that is fixing itself without him, and who only wins his actual, factual home state by three percentage points against a guy no one took seriously only two months ago, there really is little reason for independent voters in the general election to choose him if the economy keeps improving.
Seriously, putting it bluntly, conservatives may not like Barack Obama, but most other people do. And when faced with a guy you like and a guy you don’t like who says he can fix an economy that no longer needs fixing, you’re going to go with the guy you like.
If Republicans in Washington are not panicked and trying desperately to pull Bobby Jindal in the race tomorrow, or someone like him, the party leaders must have a death wish.Mitt Romney continues to run an uninspiring campaign only able to win by massively outspending his
opponents to tell voters how much worse the other guys are. That may work in the primary, but it will not work in a general election where the President of the United States won’t be outspent 5 to 1.
Three percentage points. In his home state. In his wife’s home state. In the state his father served as Governor. Three percentage points against a guy few took seriously two months ago and who just three weeks ago no one expected to give Romney a run for his money in Romney’s home state.
And this is our nominee — a guy who can only win in states with a home state advantage, New Englanders and New England transplants, and Mormoms. There are a lot more outside those categories than inside them and that is shaping up to cause him heartburn on Super Tuesday.
And let me tell you what else is going to happen: Democrats sense such a strong vulnerability now and sniff a chance of a Santorum nomination, they aren’t going to wait for the general election to start dumping oppo research on Romney. Get ready Romney supporters, this is just the opening salvo.
But I suspect he will be the nominee. At least we can be rid of him and, hopefully, his most ardent cheerleaders on November 7th when what the rest of us know will happen unless an economic catastrophe happens. Excerpt: Read More at Red State
Now you get the spin of the NY Times, the establishment paper of the Democrats, who really want Romney for the Republican nominee. All the opposition research is done and Mr. Romney is going to find out what it is like to have the media and the Obama attack machine after him. Romney is going to get payback for what he has been doing to Republicans. Most of Romney's donors are feeling the pinch and tired of wasting millions on 'scorched earth.' Are they going to step up to the plate and give to a candidate likely to lose to Obama? Mostly likely not.
Romney Regains Stride With Victories in 2 States
SOUTHFIELD, Mich. — Mitt Romney fought back a vigorous challenge from Rick Santorum in Michigan on Tuesday, narrowly carrying his native state, and won the Arizona primary in a pair of contests that reasserted his control over the Republican presidential race as it advances to critical Super Tuesday contests next week.
His victory over Mr. Santorum here in Michigan was far from commanding, but it was most likely sufficient to dampen the rising clamor from across the Republican Party about his ability to win over conservatives and connect with voters. The tussle with Mr. Santorum highlighted ample concerns about Mr. Romney, but his win spared his campaign from deep turmoil.
Excerpt: Read More at the NY TimesLess then a week left of Romney ads in Oklahoma on my sports radio channel. The ad talks about the companies he saved at Bain Capital -- as some have said -- saved them and sent the jobs overseas. Not an effective ad for Romney here in Oklahoma. I detest political ads when I like a candidate -- it is worse when I don't. Keep turning my sound down on my radio when Romney comes on the air with his annoying ad that seems to go on forever.
House and Senate races are moving to the forefront as there has been some Romney supporter shenanigans in the South Florida races but Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio came to the rescue there for Cong Allen West and have endorsed Adam Hasner who pulled out of the FL primary for the Republican nomination for Senate to run for Congress. Florida Senate seat is turning nasty once again. People in Florida must be really tired of the north-easterners who have moved to Florida and brought their corrupt and underhanded politics with them. Makes you appreciate living in a state like Oklahoma all the more!
Beautiful spring day in the Heartland which I am about to go enjoy!
Obviously, most of the people posting here, and pretty much the entire "Red State" crew is anti-Romney, but that's not because of his "conservativeness" is weak. He is very conservative. However, it is Romney's religion that is causing the bigots to come out in full vibrato. It's obvious through attempts to downplay "just Mormons" that you underestimate the Mormons' position as a cross-section of regular, conservative Americans. There is nothing "just" or "only" about it. They are a significant marker of the general populus, and they tend to defend their own when they are unjustly attacked. It is people like the ones on here and the "Red State" that are weakening the Republican position for November, not Romney or the Mormons.
ReplyDeleteSo you are calling me a bigot because I don't support Romney? Read today's article where he touts Obamacare should use Romneycare and you expect 'real' conservatives to support the flip flopper. My reason for not supporting Romney is that he is a MA liberal who ran as a Republican because he didn't want to meet Kennedy in the primary. He ran on a pro-choice agenda for Governor. Didn't like Reagan and the list could go on.
ReplyDeleteRomney supporters don't have a clue about conservatives or you wouldn't make such a statement that he is very conservative -- very few except his most ardent supporters would buy into that talking point.
Since when is not liking a particular church you don't agree with, being a bigot? Personally I wouldn't like Romney if he were Baptist or any other religion after what his camp did to Rudy and Thompson and tried with McCain in 2008.
I believe in Free Speech and why your post was not removed -- want conservatives to read that you think we are bigots because we don't support Romney since he is Mormon. You all are sounding more like Obama supporters by the day. Two Presidential elections in a row I am considered a bigot. Once from the Democrats and now from the Romney camp. You all make life interesting I must say. Thanks for outing how all of you feel about us on Red State who refuse to sit down and shut up or support Romney.
Why would we want Romney in the White House after his 'scorched earth' policy so he could use it on anyone who disagreed with him.
You have proven the point of what we have had to say about Romney supporters. You all have mixed religion and politics and now cannot understand anyone who dares to not go along.
How would anyone know what Romney is since he has flip flopped all over the place and doesn't seem to be able to tell the truth on various issues about where he stands. The internet and its vast search opportunities has become the thorn in the Romney side.
Thanks for pointing out that if you don't support Romney you are a bigot because he is Mormon. Your definition of the term conservative and mine are 180 degrees apart if Romney is a conservative. Even the establishment is not buying into that.
Good try but epic fail!
In response to your comments against this post, a good friend who has a doctorate of ministry from a SACS-accredited
ReplyDeleteevangelical seminary wrote:
"It has nothing to do with bigotry, it has to do with facts, values, and integrity."
"The Book of Mormon fundamentally-conflicts with the one true Bible.
I can state that without any fear of successful contradiction."
"It is hardly rocket-science to comprehend that the teaching of the true Bible that says anyone who teaches "another gospel" is an enemy of the Biblical truth. One simply cannot be a leader in the Mormon religion and also be a Biblical-Christian."
"A deceived and ill-informed member of a Mormon religious gathering, perhaps, but not a leader who should know better. It does not mean he has no right to seek political office, ours is a secular nation, but to claim
to be a Biblical-Christian is an obvious lie."
"It is a second shameful-deceit to attack a Biblical-Christian for holding those who claim the name of Christ to a Biblical standard."
"Mormons must have the integrity to stand on their non-Christian religious principles rather than pretending to be something they are not. It would be the same were a Biblical-Christian to pretend to be a Buddhist or a
Mormon or a Muslim. There are clear lines between that cannot ever be crossed -- they are fundamentally-incompatible."