Debt Battles Revealed Tea Party's Divisions

This is a well thought article and shows exactly what happened with the vote last night in the House.  Decided to take a look at the Tea Party Caucus run by Bachmann.  They voted 32-29 to pass the bill and when you look at some of the yes votes you see plenty of Freshman.  The funniest thing I saw last night was Mike Pence being called a RINO -- Mr. Conservative himself who has a ton of common sense is now a RINO.  When the opposition cannot get people like Mike Pence on their side, they take to calling names.  Childish at best.

Next up I did those from Armed Services who voted with the Speaker:  25 Yes and 20 No votes.  Guess the Tea Party and related organizations are now going to punish 174 Republicans in the House for voting for the compromise bill.  The threats by Palin in her letter and these groups actually set off a firestorm in some offices with common sense Conservative Republicans calling to tell their members that they have their support and vote their conscience ignoring the threats.

Ponnuru does a great job of detailing what happened with the Tea Party and other groups who many Republican Reps turned their backs on to vote refusing be intimidated.  It was one of the most disgusting displays I have ever seen out of some of these groups and that includes DeMint in the Senate who has threatened to primary any Republican voting for the Senate bill.  This intimidation factor is going to destroy the credibility of the various groups and their leaders.

The last sentence of this article sums everything up:

To the extent that Tea Partiers devote their energies to attacking Republicans for not cutting government fast enough, they will just be an irritant, as splinters usually are. 

Most members of Congress on both sides had to cast their votes on what they thought was best for the Country.  The ones who truly deliberated and voted NO I have a lot of respect for but I have zero respect for those who said they were NO on both sides of the aisle without reading because of their Agendas.  The very idea that someone will vote NO until a Balanced Budget Amendment is passed is ludicrous when you have a Democrat Senate and a Democrat President and shows a total disregard for the position they were elected.  Then we heard about the Tax increases that some pundits said were in the bill but according to Senator Kyl, they are not and you are left wonder why people need to use Talking Points on both sides to get their points across.

Excuse me but who made these groups and people the judge and jury of Republicans?  Do we we ever hear them talk about going after Democrats?  NO!  It is Republicans they want to punish.  Do they ever have a plan?  NO!  Calling Colonel West a traitor did it for me.  I will support him 100% and already made a donation.  Who do these people think they are that every vote has to be for their agenda?  That 'my way or no way attitude' has never worked.

Talked to people around this great Country and to a person not one of them thinks anyone should be primaried over this vote.  We will see what happens in the days ahead but now it is time to get back to the business of the Country and for the Senate to actually pass a BUDGET.  You want to be mad at someone how about the Democrats in the Senate who still do not have a BUDGET.     

Debt Battles Revealed Tea Party’s Divisions 

By Ramesh Ponnuru Aug 1, 2011 7:00 PM CT 

At first glance, it looks as if the Tea Partiers scored a big win over Speaker of the House John Boehner and the Republican Party establishment last week. 

Boehner pleaded for Republican members of Congress to unite in support of a package of spending cuts and a debt-limit increase. He ran into vehement opposition from Representative Jim Jordan of Ohio, the head of the Republican Study Committee, a large group of conservatives in the House. 

Prominent conservative organizations -- FreedomWorks, the Club for Growth, Heritage Action for America and various groups with the words “Tea Party” in their names -- opposed him, too, because his plan did not include a constitutional amendment limiting federal spending. And they beat him: He could not get enough votes for his original plan to pass. 

Take another look, though, and the clout of this faction looks a lot less impressive. Its constituent organizations, which claim to speak for the populist insurgency that won the House for Republicans in 2010, were not able to persuade a majority of Republicans to side with them, or anything close to a majority. Roughly 88 percent of House Republicans sided with Boehner. They sided with him even when some of the groups warned that they were putting the vote on their scorecards -- planning, that is, to tell their followers that representatives who voted against them were not solid conservatives. 

Support for Boehner

The vast majority of freshmen Republican representatives backed Boehner, not the activist groups. The vast majority of members of the Republican Study Committee aligned with the speaker, not their committee leader. Many members of Congress who are strongly associated with the Tea Parties backed the Boehner bill, too, among them Renee Ellmers of North Carolina, Allen West of Florida and James Lankford of Oklahoma. 

The same thing happened this spring, when most House Republicans voted for a deal to keep the government open even though the activist groups said they would score that vote negatively. Only 59 Republicans voted no -- and again, most freshmen and most Republican Study Committee members sided with Boehner. 

What happened last week was that about 12 percent of House Republicans thought that they could use the sheer force of their willpower as leverage to get a constitutional amendment. It was never going to work, of course. They may have thought it would because some activists, often described in the news media as “leaders” or “spokesmen” for a vast movement, said it would. But these activists do not speak for all or even a large fraction of the people who share their limited-government principles, especially on strategic or tactical questions. 

Often Misunderstood 

The freshmen Republicans associated with the Tea Parties have often been misunderstood by friend and foe alike. They have been seen as newcomers to politics who hate all compromise and seethe with hostility to party leaders. Some of them do, but many of them are practical conservatives with experience in state and local politics. 

The Tea Party faction that has been in the news over the past week -- the group that sank Boehner’s plan -- demonstrated that it could deny Republicans a majority when its members make a tactical alliance with the Democrats, who unanimously opposed the plan. Similarly, the Tea Partiers can punish Republicans and help Democrats by sitting out general elections. 

But the faction’s power in Republican primaries is overrated. In 2010, only two Republican incumbents lost their seats in primaries due to conservative opposition (carbon-tax proponent Representative Bob Inglis of South Carolina, and party-switching Representative Parker Griffith of Alabama). Senator Bob Bennett of Utah lost his seat in a caucus, which rewards purists. The other big Tea Party wins came in open seats. Sarah Palin is among those threatening Republican representatives with primaries from the right.  

An Irritant

Unless the Tea Party tide is stronger in 2012 than it was in 2010, Republican incumbents are probably safe, at least if they’re in places that use primaries. 

In 2010, “the Tea Party” was journalistic shorthand for a new influx of people and passion into conservatism. Allied with other conservatives, they moved the Republican Party rightward. Allied as well with a public alarmed by liberalism on the march, they won a lot of elections. To the extent that Tea Partiers devote their energies to attacking Republicans for not cutting government fast enough, they will just be an irritant, as splinters usually are. 

(Ramesh Ponnuru is a Bloomberg View columnist and a senior editor at National Review. The opinions expressed are his own.)  Source:  Bloomberg